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- Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #338
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-
-
- Info-Hams Digest Mon, 28 Mar 94 Volume 94 : Issue 338
-
- Today's Topics:
- 10M indoor problem.
- 6m Equipment?
- A novice needs some help! (2 msgs)
- Audio problem with Kenwood TS430S
- dual band HT advice
- HELP: Anyone know what a XR2206 chip is?
- Is 10M Dead?!
- Kenwood (TS-850) Computer Interface Info Wanted
- obscenity and obesity
- Question on Kenwood 732 A
- RF and AF speech processors. Was: FT-990 vs TS-850
- The word HAM
- WWV Voice announcments??
-
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-
- Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 12:53:43 GMT
- From: olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!psinntp!psinntp!moose!news@ames.arpa
- Subject: 10M indoor problem.
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <1994Mar27.181416.165@news.unr.edu> destree@unr.edu (Louis Destree) writes:
- > I recently bought a HTX-100 (no equipment flames please...buying
- >the FT-990 would keep me from continuing school), and have set it up with
- >a "V" type 1/2 wave indoor antenna. I have not been able to talk to
- >anyone from my apartment yet. However, I have had good results (when the
- >band is in) from a measly 1/4 wave mag mount on my car.
- >
- > The building I live in is made of stucco, with (I'm reasonably
- >sure) chicken wire in the walls. Most stucco buildings I've seen have
- >this wire in the walls. I am curious if the wire is acting as an
- >attenuator. If anyone has had a similar experience, let me know.
- >
- > Yes, it is possible for me to put the antenna outside. However,
- >rather than having people lining up at my door complaining of TVI, I
- >wanted to keep everything indoors.
- > Thanks!
- > Louis
- >
- >--
- >Louis A. Destree University of Nevada, Reno
- >destree@equinox.unr.edu <> destree@equinox.bitnet Electrical Engineering
- >Amateur Radio: N7XNX (General Class) Bike: 1980 Honda CB750C
- > "When things go from bad to worse, the cycle will repeat itself!"
-
-
- The trick to TVI complaints from neighbors is to put up the external
- antenna and not operate for 30 days or so. This will weed out the true
- TVI problems and problem neighbors......
-
- Rod - KB3MK
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 28 Mar 1994 19:02:38 GMT
- From: yale.edu!noc.near.net!xap!usenet@yale.arpa
- Subject: 6m Equipment?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Bryan Koen <bkoen5@aol.com> wrote:
- >I am looking for good, INEXPENSIVE, 6m equipment. How do the Azden radios
- >(mobile, HT) compare with some of the more expensive options that are available
- >(Kenwood)? Also, what about used equipment? What is available?
-
- I can't comment on the Azden radios having never seen or used one. As for
- used equipment, I had a Yaesu FT620B for a while that worked just fine.
- It's a SSB/CW/AM (no FM) rig that runs about 10 watts. I paid about $200
- for the rig at a flea market. If you want more power and want a fun project
- to build, check the QST back issue index for the construction project on
- building an 80 watt amp. Another good used rig is an Icom 551D but I suspect
- they're a bit more than the Yaesu...
-
- 73,
- Scott WO1G
- ---
- Scott Sminkey email: sasminkey@eng.xyplex.com
- Software Sustaining Engineering voice: 508 952-4792
- Xyplex, Inc. fax: 508 952-4887
- 295 Foster St. (Opinions, comments, etc. are mine,
- Littleton, MA 01460 not Xyplex's...)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 18:12:04 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.csuohio.edu!garfield.csuohio.edu!mike@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: A novice needs some help!
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- giridhar@ee.umr.edu (Giridhar Tatavarti) writes:
- :
- : I am a novice in the matters related to ham-radio.
-
- Welcome!
-
- : What I know about ham-radio is that it can be used for
- : communications around world..as long as both the parties
- : have a ham-radio each.
-
- Correct, as well as a current Amateur Radio license, from
- the FCC (in the US).
-
- : I heard that ham-radio can help you make friends around the
- : world. Can anyone please tell me if I can buy a pair
- : of ham-radios for me and my friend in some other country..
- : and talk whenever we want? That would save me my long
- : distance bills..But is that allowed? Or does ham-radio
- : have a condition attached that it should be used only
- : for emergency purposes?
-
- Ham radio has a tradition of being an emergency radio
- service, and still functions in that capacity world wide
- as well as locally. You can talk to anyone, at any time,
- about anything (except anything related to business or
- making money for yourself), in just about any part of the
- world (a few countries are off limits, usually cuz of politics).
- Lots of hams talk to friends worldwide, as long as it's not
- business oriented.
-
- Make sure your friend in their country has a ham license from
- their government.
-
- : What would be the price of a ham-radio set which I could
- : use for international communication ?
-
- Theoretically you can build a ham transmitter/reciever with
- an handful of parts for under $50. But, usually, figure on a couple
- or few hundred bucks for the equipment, antenna, etc. That's considered
- a bare minimum, used stuff. Many hams have 10's of thousands invested in
- equipemnt over the years. Go to a local hamfest and see all sorts
- of good used equipment for not much $$. I think you can get set up
- fairly well for around $500 or so, per station.
-
- : What is the frequency at which the ham-radios operate?
-
- Many, depending on where your interests are and what radio you buy.
- All the way from 160 meters (2Mhz) on HF, 80/40/10M 'shortwave', thru
- VHF, UHF, and up into the microwave freqs (GHz). What you can transmit
- on depends on your class of license. In the US it starts as Novice,
- then Technician, then General, then Advanced, then Amateur Extra (the
- top). You also have more priveleges for phone (voice) communications
- as you earn higher classes of licenses. The Novice HF license is almost
- all CW (Morse code) with some SSB voice to whet your appetite for a
- higher class license :-).
- :
- : I would greatly appreciate if anyone can take the time
- : to answer these queries on the newsgroup, or in a mail
- : to me at giridhar@ee.umr.edu...
-
- A good source of info if you are just getting into ham is to
- go buy "Now You're Talking" at Radio Shack. In fact, if you
- study the entire book, you should have no trouble passing your
- Technician class license (no-code). If you want to talk world wide
- thought, you will have to pass the 5 words-per-minute code test.
- If you go that route, without the Technician's test, you can
- become a Novice class operator (there is also a written test).
- The book tells a lot about it.
-
- I hope this helps.
-
- Mike
- --
- ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v Catch the WAVE ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
- Michael Mayer, Senior Technical Support Engineer Amateur Radio KB8RJO
- Visual Numerics, Inc. 32915 Aurora Rd. Suite 160, Solon OH 44139 USA
- Email: mayer@boulder.vni.com Human: 216-248-4900 Fax: 216-248-2733
- v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v Good * Cheap * Quick (pick any two) ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 22 Mar 94 20:34:15 GMT
- From: uchinews!ncar!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!usenet-feed.umr.edu!giridhar@rsch.wisc.edu
- Subject: A novice needs some help!
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- I am a novice in the matters related to ham-radio.
-
- What I know about ham-radio is that it can be used for
- communications around world..as long as both the parties
- have a ham-radio each.
-
- I heard that ham-radio can help you make friends around the
- world. Can anyone please tell me if I can buy a pair
- of ham-radios for me and my friend in some other country..
- and talk whenever we want? That would save me my long
- distance bills..But is that allowed? Or does ham-radio
- have a condition attached that it should be used only
- for emergency purposes?
-
- What would be the price of a ham-radio set which I could
- use for international communication ?
-
- What is the frequency at which the ham-radios operate?
-
- I would greatly appreciate if anyone can take the time
- to answer these queries on the newsgroup, or in a mail
- to me at giridhar@ee.umr.edu...
-
- Thanks,
-
- Giri..& bestwishes.
- --
- Giridhar Tatavarti Department of Elctrical Engineering
- 103W, 14th, #104 University of Missouri-Rolla
- Rolla, MO 65401
- Phone: (314) 368 - 3089
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 13:43:53 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!mvb.saic.com!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Audio problem with Kenwood TS430S
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <2n1t4g$5at@safety.ics.uci.edu> turner@safety.ics.uci.edu (Clark Savage Turner) writes:
- >Sounds like an RF feedback problem, really does. Makes sense it might
- >occur up there above 15 meters, I have had similar problems.
- >
- >My diagnostic suggestions:
- >
- >1. Try a different antenna, or use a dummy load to see if the same ALC
- >readings occur. If not, sounds like RF.
- >
- >2. If above no help, carefully check the mike cord for loose ground, etc.
- >Might even just add a new mike cord and connector. Don't forget to check
- >the connections inside the 430, that can do it too.
-
- The Kenwood radios are somewhat notorious for using board mounting
- screws for RF ground connections in the radio. Loose screws on any
- of the boards can cause RF ground loops *inside* the radio. Even
- when using an external dummy load, you may still have symptoms.
- Make sure all the screws are present, and tight.
-
- Gary
-
- --
- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
- Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
- 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
- Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | |
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 28 Mar 94 14:54:25 GMT
- From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!bert.cs.byu.edu!phydoux@ames.arpa
- Subject: dual band HT advice
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Greetings!
-
- I'm looking into buying a dual band HT, but I don't have access
- to any mail-order catalogs or other information regarding the newer HTs
- available. I was hoping that somebody who reads the newsgroups here
- could give me their opinion about any of the models currently avaliable.
- I've got a tax return check coming that might finance a new HT... Which
- brands are good? Is there a certain brand/model I should stay away
- from? Any advice/insights would be appreciated. You can respond via
- mail or in this group, I am a regular reader.
-
- 73,
- Michael Monsen
- KB7YOP
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 23:46:04 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!mvb.saic.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!softage.demon.co.uk!zawada@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: HELP: Anyone know what a XR2206 chip is?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Help, has anyone out there heard of a chip XR2206?
-
- It's used in a converter to send SSTVFAX in a shareware program called
- SSTVFAX2. From what I can make out, it seems to be some kind of modem
- chip, but I can't find it in any of the catalogues I have. Can anyone
- help me with any of the following information?
-
- 1. Has it got an equivalent chip I can use instead?
-
- 2. About how much is it?
-
- 3. Give me an address anywhere (any country), I can order it from.
-
- Thanks in advance.
-
- Mark
- --
-
-
- ---------
- Mark Simpson
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 29 Mar 94 00:06:37 GMT
- From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!gilbaronw0mn@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
- Subject: Is 10M Dead?!
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- >In article <Jk1MhuV.jokent@delphi.com> John Kent <jokent@delphi.com>
- writes:
- >>Steven Q. Stultz <sqstultz@delphi.com> writes:
- >>
- >>>For some reason, there doesn't seem to be much activity at all across the
- band.
- >>>Are we in the low part of the cycle? Or are gremlins inside my radio?
- >>
- >
- > You should have been on Saturday 1800 UTC. The band was wide open.
- >I had six 59's from Mass., Maryland, Miss., El Salvador, Brazil , and
- >Argentina. This was using Radio Shack HTX 100 from the car. Just
- >straight 25 watts.
- >
- >--
- >
- ----------------------------------------------+--------------------------.
- >| INTERNET: pineapp@netcom.com (DC436) | Daniel Curry WB6STW |
-
- >| AMPRNET : dan@wb6stw.ampr.org [44.4.20.144] | E-:-) Ham Radio Operator |
- >| AX.25 : wb6stw@n0ary.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA | Redwood City, CA USA |
-
- >'----------------------------------------------+--------------------------'
- >
- We are in a low part of the cycle and getting lower. Openings will occour
- from time to time. Try a CQ now and then. you may be surprised.
-
- Gil Baron, El Baron Rojo, W0MN Rochester,MN
- "Bailar es Vivir"
- PGP2.3 key at key servers or upon request
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 24 Mar 94 18:32:28 GMT
- From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!att-out!nntpa!not-for-mail@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
- Subject: Kenwood (TS-850) Computer Interface Info Wanted
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <940324100422_6@ccm.hf.intel.com>,
- Cecil A Moore <Cecil_A_Moore@ccm.hf.INTel.COM> wrote:
- >
- >Text item: Text_1
- >
- >>A friend is interested in getting details about the computer interface
- >>"box" used with the Kenwood TS-850. Has anybody built one...?
- >> -Thanx -Adam (N2DHH)
- >
- >Hi Adam and anybody else...
- >
- >I have an ICOM-725 which has a single-line bi-directional TTL-level
- >wired-OR serial asynchronous interface for external control. Is the
- >Kenwood TS-850 the same hardware interface characteristic as the
- >ICOM-725?
- >
- >thanks and 73, Cecil, KG7BK (I do not speak for Intel on Internet)
-
- No. Take a peek at my reply to the last post for a pointer to my article
- in 2/93 QST. As you hint, the Icom CI-V system is a single wire bus run
- against ground. A number of computers and radios can sit on this CSMA/CD
- bus. I won't bore everyone with the details. The article goes into it.
-
- The interface I described for Icom (as well as Ten-Tec's Omni-VI and Argosy
- II) is pretty simple. It is not optoisolated, but does use a 7407/7417
- buffer for some protection.
-
- --
- Wally Blackburn Clinton-Gore - Socialist Leadership
- wrb@ccsitn.cb.att.com for the 90s!
- Amateur Radio Station AA8DX I'm the NRA.
- *More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than from my gun!*
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 28 Mar 1994 22:00:33 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!astro.as.utexas.edu!oo7@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: obscenity and obesity
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- dhughes@prairienet.org (Dan Hughes) asks:
-
- >>I just passed my no-code test last week, and have been listening to some
- >>ham chatter on my SW receiver. Saturday night on 3910 kHz I heard some
- >>of the most disgusting language I've encountered anywhere. One guy was
- >>spouting one obscentity after another, and three other guys were laughing
- >>at his inept signal and giving it right back to him. All but the
- >>instigator were regularly giving their calls. Is this pretty much what I
- >>have to look forward to?
-
- Frankly, yes. That is, if you listen to 75m in the evenings, you will
- hear people who are generally obscene, obnoxious and probably obese, not to
- mention obsolete. It is the gathering ground for all that is objectionable
- in amateur radio.
-
- The good news is that you don't have to listen to it. There are some
- real human beings on 75m as well, I'm sure, and there are people on the
- higher bands who are less objectionable.
-
- If you have the no-code license, you won't be tempted to talk to this
- Low Life, and if you pass the code test you can work people on CW who
- don't act like this (it takes so long to swear on CW).
-
- Fortunately, most of the scum on the ham bands collects in a few
- distinct places and while you find it, listen to it and weep, there
- is nothing that says you have to. Just tune past it and you will
- soon find something more to your liking.
-
- I am as sad as you are that this stuff continues, but we are not
- going to change it overnight, and I have a load of fun, mainly on
- HF and mainly on CW, without running into any of this muck. Don't
- give up!
-
-
- Derek "The Pure" Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
- Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
- Austin TX 78712. (512-471-1392)
- oo7@astro.as.utexas.edu
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 15:06:20
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!ssd.intel.com!chnews!ornews.intel.com!ccm.hf.intel.com!brett_miller@@.
- Subject: Question on Kenwood 732 A
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <2n672m$eer@news.iastate.edu> bwehr@iastate.edu (BDW) writes:
-
- >Was wondering if anyone out there in radio land has had any experience with
- >the Kenwood TM-732A its a mobil dual band and looks like a real nice piece. So
- >If you own one or know someone that does let me know what you think of it.
- >Thanks.
-
- Its a great radio. I got mine when they first came out. I mount the remote
- head with velcro and put an RJ-11 jack on the cable for quick disconnect. It
- is very sensitive and get a lot of intermod in downtown areas. Lots of
- features - more than anyone needs. The Mic keypad buttons are a bit hard to
- press and (please correct me if this can be changed) do not make an audible
- beep or tone when you are sending DTMF tones, so its hard to tell if you
- pressed hard enough - use the autodial memories.
-
-
- Brett Miller N7OLQ brett_miller@ccm.hf.intel.com
- Intel Corp.
- American Fork, UT
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 24 Mar 94 20:28:44 GMT
- From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!srgenprp!alanb@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
- Subject: RF and AF speech processors. Was: FT-990 vs TS-850
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Ignacy Misztal (ignacy@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
- Zack Lau wrote:
- : >I don't understand why audio processing has to result in more audio
- : >harmonics. Aren't there digital signal processing algorithms that
- : >could prevent this effect? Even before DSP, didn't people use split
- : >band audio processing to reduce the content of harmonics?
- :
- : ...Why AF clippers are worse than RF (IF) clippers? Consider a 500Hz
- : tone test. With AF processor you will get extra 1000,1500,2000,2500
- : Hz tones. With RF (SSB and DSB) processor 500Hz will be the only
- : output.
-
- As you probably know, that's only true if you have only a single audio
- tone. With a more complex waveform, like a human voice, the 3rd-order
- (and all odd-order) mixing products can fall within the filter passband.
- Compared to audio clipping, RF clipping reduces audio distortion, but
- it doesn't eliminate it entirely.
-
- It seems like you could use a DSP to do a very good job of automatic
- gain control on the audio signal. The problem with analog AGC circuits
- is the "popping" that occurs due to the time delay of the AGC driver
- upon encountering a sudden large signal. A DSP could store a few
- milliseconds of audio at a time so it could reduce the gain just
- before the sudden large signal, eliminating the pop.
-
- AL N1AL
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 28 Mar 1994 20:44:29 GMT
- From: news.cerf.net!pravda.sdsc.edu!acsc.com!wp-sp.nba.trw.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
- Subject: The word HAM
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Another 2 cents worth:
-
- > The origin of the word 'HAM' come from the first letters of the
- > first three guys to experiment radio. They were from the Harvard Radio
- > Club... Their names are Hyman, Almy and Murray.
- >
- > Originally, they named their telegraph station
- > "HYMAN-ALMY-MURRAY" but it was too long, so they reduce it to
- "HY-AL-MU",
- > but there was a problem : a mexican boat was named "HYALMO", so there
- > was
- > a little confusion... So, they finally named their station "HAM"...
- >
- > Oh yeah... That was in 1908....
- >
- > 73's de Alex, ve2cnd@CAM.O
- >
-
- Howdy,
-
- I think I read somewhere that this story has been debunked by someone who
- did some snooping and found that there were no such students at Harvard
- when this was supposed to have taken place.
-
- ????
-
- 73 de K9CUN, Jack
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 19:33:18 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!debmoore@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: WWV Voice announcments??
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Jose Miguel Fonte (etjfonte@ci.ua.pt) wrote:
- : Stan Olson (solso@prairienet.org) wrote:
-
- : : Does any one have a schedule of when WWV announces the solar flux
- : : and stuff?? If you could mail me the times/freqs, that would be
- : : great!! Thanks
-
- : WWV broadcast every hour at minute 18 (e.g. 20:18 , 21:18...)
- : and the freq. are 5Mhz,10Mhz,15Mhz,20Mhz (I think the last one its better)
- : good luck with Dxing ...
-
- : best 73's de CT1ENQ
-
- I believe there is also a braoadcast at :45 mins. I think this one is
- from WWVH. I don't have any info here at work, but maybe someone else
- could verify this.
- --
- =============================================================================
- Bob Shilling Berkeley, CA debmoore@netcom.com
- KK6QQ rcshilling@lbl.gov
- DoD# 1195
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 09:24:03 +0000
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!sgiblab!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!llondel.demon.co.uk!dave@network.ucsd.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <2n079g$pl1@usenet.rpi.edu>, <Ba2OBqp.edellers@delphi.com>, <wa2iseCnAqoH.6tL@netcom.com>et
- Subject : Re: Hole in car roof: Affect vehicle value?
-
- There is a simple principle here..... if you are selling the car to a dealer
- then the hole in the roof will drop the price by X. When the dealer sells the
- car on, it is 'cellular ready' and the price goes up by X.
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- You could have some fun in this case if one person sells a car to a dealer
- (with the price dropped because of the hole) and another goes along expressing
- interest in buying it and commenting on the hole..... see if the dealer drops
- the price or tries to justify the hole as an asset!
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- Dave
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